Curse

Skyy High · May 28, 2010, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

That was my problem with the update. I run a lyssa's aura bar on my Mesmer and I've always used Overload as a reliable method of keeping it active.

WW. There ya go.

Overload requires timing now, ohnoes!

Also: Faulken runs weren't fun. They were grindtastic. Boss bounties are at least cute little battles (with dialog, apparently) that people PUG (successfully, in my experience, I might add, probably because most people who are doing these quests are involved enough on forums to know how to complete the WiK quest chain). Bounties should be more rewarding than some repetitive farmable content, that's just the logical way to do things.

ManlyMan · May 28, 2010, 06:02 AM // 06:02

i love this. poor newbs raging ingame cause they can't handle hm and its not worth it, and how the bosses in hm are too hard. hahaha , this is awesome. People will need to learn to party or get better :'D

betterjonjon · May 28, 2010, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

WW. There ya go.

Overload requires timing now, ohnoes!

Also: Faulken runs weren't fun. They were grindtastic. Boss bounties are at least cute little battles (with dialog, apparently) that people PUG (successfully, in my experience, I might add, probably because most people who are doing these quests are involved enough on forums to know how to complete the WiK quest chain). Bounties should be more rewarding than some repetitive farmable content, that's just the logical way to do things.

But most of the Q.Q should be coming from the point of view that the people who sat there for 3-4 days constantly farming them will be way better off now. Especially since the normal people who don't like grind have basically only a single quest to get war supplies now. THAT is stupid.

Reflect · May 28, 2010, 06:23 AM // 06:23

too bad those bounties have RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING DIALOGUES AGAIN.... i have to wait 2 minutes for some pointless dialogues, that make no sence.....

Dark Paladin X · May 28, 2010, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Okay, if they reduced the reward of Courier Falken (and makes you do HM to get only 6 War Supplies), at least they should REDUCE the cost to buy a Royal Gift for the following reasons:

1) Courier Falken runs is pretty much the ONLY way to farm an unlimited amount of War Supplies (other than killing random Peacekeeprs and White Mantle that drop Confessor's Orders). Seeing that Peacekeepers and White Mantle are a sorry pain in the ass to fight in HM, trying to escort Falken while fighting level 26 foes with well rounded skills would be really hard (not sure if it is possible or not, and I'm not sure if the DwG spike team still works here). I heard it takes around 8 minutes to escort Falken in Watchtower Coast with DwG team. Considering that it takes 24 minutes to get ONE Royal Gift now as you are rewarded 6 War Supplies in HM, if you plan to get a full stack of Royal Gifts via Courier Falken, it would take about 15,000 minutes/250 hours/~11 days non-stop (plus the time to rezone to get Falken to spawn) to get a full stack of Royal Gifts. Heck, the cost of getting Gift of the Huntsman, Wintersday Gift, and Red Gift Bags happens to be more reasonable than getting a Royal Gift.

2) Fighting the Peacekeeper/White Mantle bosses from the bounties happen to be a pain in the ass. You might end up spending hours to try and kill a boss. Well, not really, I killed Inspector Bauer in HM using the Discordway build with my ritualist and it took around 30 minutes. Needless to say, it was really hard because 1) my ritualist haven't reached to the point in Prophecies where I can infuse armor (although I did happen to have access to Droknar's Forge), and 2) Even when the henchmen in HM are in level 20, they aren't infused.

Oh yeah, if you are wondering how I managed to kill Jack Bauer, my ritualist SPIRITS managed to kill him while I almost was about to get wiped and my party already dead.

majoho · May 28, 2010, 06:33 AM // 06:33

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

1) Courier Falken runs is pretty much the ONLY way to farm an unlimited amount of War Supplies

And why do you need unlimited amounts of war supplies?

Dark Paladin X · May 28, 2010, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by majoho

And why do you need unlimited amounts of war supplies?

To get more Royal Gifts. I want get those new Summoning Stones where it spawns THREE Shining Blade allies. Probably useful for my ritualist due to Spawning Power (I'm not sure if summons from summoning stones are affected by Spawning Power, but I do know that Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and the Asuran summons does gain benefits from Spawning Power and related skills).

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

dancing gnome · May 28, 2010, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by majoho

They messed it up, the reward from the courier was way too high making people not bother with the quests.

The rewards for Courier runs weren't the problem (although the gold nerf was deserved) it was the pitiful rewards from the bounties.

My entire Guild was doing courier runs yesterday. Now none of them touch WiK stuff, there simply is no reason to. People who were puging with guildies and enjoying a farm they could actually do (and many found challenging) spent a couple of hours dieing and failing in HM and then gave up. I went back to Discordway (I hate triple necro but for HM it's just so much easier to bring three monks with a stupid DPS skill and tonnes of back up heals. especially with a courier) and stopped running a fun warrior build I was using and started running a lame caller build, just to complete the runs in HM.

I started a thread talking about things I loved about WiK and I wish I hadn't of because they killed the exact thing I loved for myself and my entire guild. HM means I need to bring PvE skills and optimum builds instead of the things I enjoyed bringing.

Now that War Supplies have the A-Net grind built into them maybe we should start botting for them because it now takes hours for tangible rewards. GG Grind Net. I'm glad to see Lynsey adopted your philosophy so eagerly with this update. Really looking forward to the grinds you put in GW2.

mage767 · May 28, 2010, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Did the 2 of the 3 boss bounties posted today (left out the one in Kessex peak due to lack of time). Both were done in HM. They were challenging but not super difficult. Didn't have to pop any cons except for a summoning stone.

Got 60 supplies in less than 20 min. This is better than escorting silly Courier.

Courier escort got nerfed bad. Why waste 8 min in NM to get 3 supplies or 20 min in HM to get 6 supplies, when I can beat some sense into the bosses in less than half that time?

Plus, they should increase the drop-rate on greens for Courier now that the 'farm' is nerfed to oblivion, just to leave some incentive for others.

FoxBat · May 28, 2010, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

You need consets to vanq? Seriously? And it's worth farming for the vanq time you save? You've already mentioned running spirits, I don't see how you can screw that up, let alone the majority of the WiK content. (I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

majoho · May 28, 2010, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

To get more Royal Gifts. I want get those new Summoning Stones where it spawns THREE Shining Blade allies. Probably useful for my ritualist due to Spawning Power (I'm not sure if summons from summoning stones are affected by Spawning Power, but I do know that Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and the Asuran summons does gain benefits from Spawning Power and related skills).

Also, the conset items that you get from the Royal Gifts, which may be useful for vanquishing (my ranger is getting vanquisher and it is expensive FYI). Getting such items from Royal Gifts is MUCH cheaper than trying to farm the common crafting materials to get those consets yourself.

I must admit I can't even begin to understand your mindset.

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

The rewards for Courier runs weren't the problem

Your opinion vs mine, your opinion isn't more fact than mine.

Skinny Corpse · May 28, 2010, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Wow, those Jade Cloaks are mean.
But... getting a Scroll of Adventurers Insight from a Royal Gift is.. not that much fun, really.

Feathermoore Rep · May 28, 2010, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

You need consets to vanq? Seriously? And it's worth farming for the vanq time you save? You've already mentioned running spirits, I don't see how you can screw that up, let alone the majority of the WiK content. (I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

Hey now. Some people in this game think HM is challenging. :-p

Totally was worth farming the crap of those war supplies. I mean anything that nets roughtly 150k in less than three hours is great farming. Plus you got 1k gold for each run. What was aNet thinking in this gem of a quest.

But at least these mobs in HM are fun to play against since they have semi-legit builds. Its how the AI should of been scaled before.

And lawl at the mind wrack.

dancing gnome · May 28, 2010, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by majoho

I must admit I can't even begin to understand your mindset.

It's possible you don;t understand their mindset because it appears they farmed War Supplies so they could actually use the rewards to boost their experience actually playing the game. They didn't consider farming the War Supplies an activity they did in substitute for playing the game (aka 123412341234 farming) nor did they do it simply for financial profit.

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Originally Posted by majoho

Your opinion vs mine, your opinion isn't more fact than mine.

No, I didn't say my opinion was fact. I put across my view and then I explained why I believed that was the case. It's good to see you've described what I did rather than discuss the reasoning I gave and why your opinion disagrees with mine.

sixdartbart · May 28, 2010, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

(I hear Bauer is a bitch, but everything else was fairly straightforward with standard spiritway.)

I keep hearing that too.
Don't believe em.

I ran up to where he is with just my warrior and trusty necro heroes {still hate Alesia to much to take her anywhere and the other baby henchies aren't much better} and somehow got distracted waiting for the dialog to finish, failed to notice they got physical with my friends and by the time I returned the fight was half over.
The pop ups all seemed to start beating the crap out of the villagers so it wasn't like getting swarmed by 30 jades and mantle at once.

Hated Killing Jack, now they can't make the 24 movie

Riot Narita · May 28, 2010, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Falken, ouch. It really seems too severe. I mean, even full-human teams only got enough War Supplies per hour from him, to get 7 or 8 Royal Gifts. That's 7 or 8 gifts that mostly contain junk. Was that really so abusive?

Hmmm... if they felt such a nerf was necessary, does it mean Medals of Honour are going to be extremely valuable, and A-Net wants to keep their numbers down? Otherwise, they could have just increased the bounty rewards.

Poor Falken. How many people will bother to escort him now? Is he eternally doomed to die horrible deaths now?

Gli · May 28, 2010, 09:22 AM // 09:22

It was good while it lasted, 36 war supplies every 10-12 minutes. The new bounties were fun though.

Riot Narita · May 28, 2010, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by Gli

It was good while it lasted, 36 war supplies every 10-12 minutes. The new bounties were fun though.

How was this possible? I was going with DwG teams between Beetletun and Divinity Coast, minimum 5 minutes per run (+ time getting Falken to spawn). That's 24 War Supplies in 10 minutes, at best.

Gli · May 28, 2010, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Doing triple account runs, playing 1 character with its 3 heroes and having 2 accounts just run along to cash in the reward. Pretty easy on normal mode, and despite runs being a lot slower, the triple reward made it more profitable than DwG (whatever that means, I never figured that out).

distilledwill · May 28, 2010, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Not sure why people are whinging about this update.
First, they toned down what was a grindy grindy run which involved bringing a cookie cutter build to run it quickly, and which had well overblown rewards for how fast it could be done.

Second, they changed it so that the element of the WiK stuff that requires you to actually PLAY (the bounties) now reaps more rewards and now you're complaining its too HARD? Play it in easy mode if you want it easy, play it in Hard mode if you want it to be HARD! *brain explosion*
People are never happy.